Hi!,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:25 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jp@nexedi.com" target="_blank">jp@nexedi.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
I am replying as ERP5 project leader (and also original author).<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>Your a leader? <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
First of all, please feel free to fork ERP5 as long as you change its<br>
name and that there is no confusion between your fork and ERP5,<br></blockquote><div><br>Thank you :) <br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
while at the same time retaining the moral rights of ERP5 authors.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>" Moral " = Thats the word I wished you guys would have utilized towards<br>the " Nexedi Initiated Erp5 Community Members " years ago.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Second, I feel this discussion lacks rationality. It seems to me that<br>
you are not following the steps of the tutorial, that you have installation issues<br>
and that your conclusion is to fork ERP5 to create features... which actually already<br>
exist and are documented in the tutorials which you did not follow at first.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I wont beat a dead horse, but Like Tracy R. Reed, the Zope Developer/Programmer whom yesterday told me he not only has given up on Erp5 years ago, but Plone based software,<br>meaning Zope, as well, quit because he couldn't get things configured himself per your tutorials. So both he and I are stupid. Your smart. Everyone agrees with you! :)<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
There is a documentation which covers all basic features.<br>
100+ people were trained in 2010 through this documentation.<br></blockquote><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Did you follow it ? What are your issues with it ? It is hard to<br>
understand why you can not succeed.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.erp5.com/developer-Learning.Track.Forum/view" target="_blank">http://www.erp5.com/developer-Learning.Track.Forum/view</a><br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes looks good. I'll go through with it head to toe again and report back.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
You are also asking for a simple configuration ERP5. It is called<br>
TioLive. You can get an instance online (<a href="http://www.tiolive.com" target="_blank">www.tiolive.com</a>) or on<br>
your own laptop (<a href="http://grid.tiolive.com" target="_blank">grid.tiolive.com</a>). There is even a virtual machine<br>
a packages for many distributions. Have you tried it ? What are your<br>
issues with it ? Most people I know can achieve this in 10 minutes.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>As I explained it to you before on the phone, and via email, having<br>you/ANYONE else outside of us HOST our data is not an option.<br><br>It has nothing to do with you personally, but most entities are like that.<br>
I'm going to have members of the UN oversee stuff on the server.<br>That's UN as in the United Nations...<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
If you are interested in ERP5 future, you can find roadmap and design<br>
document on <a href="http://erp5.com" target="_blank">erp5.com</a> web site. </blockquote><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Have you read them ?<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Yes<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">What else would you like ?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>Other than $1 Trillion dollars, & world peace, I'd like a Erp5 community where <br>they aren't afraid of/or mistrustful of its creator. <br><br>But I'm a idiot to ask for that.<br>
<br>
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<a href="http://www.erp5.com/documentation/developer/design" target="_blank">http://www.erp5.com/documentation/developer/design</a><br>
<br>
Third, I think you should visit one of Nexedi offices (France, Germany,<br>
Japan, Brazil, Sénégal)</blockquote><div><br>Yeah, I'll have someone look into both Senegal and Brazil.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
to better understand how it was possible to<br>
keep a steady flow of R&D investment, pay the salaries of dozens of engineers,<br>
all this without venture capital</blockquote><div><br>When I explained to you that, available to me was a server where Erp5 is installed<br>along with Erp5 Barcode, and that I simply wanted to be able to scan those<br>impoverished African farmers commodity X or Y into Erp5 Inventory, then create<br>
a Sales Order, etc., you told me you wanted a 6 figure a year contract minimum<br>and that we'd have to have, on-site, 2 Nexedi Engineers for 12 months.<br><br>These are African Farmers whom wear flip flops and use Donkeys.<br>
<br>I dont feel sorry for you.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> and thus without the risk of seing the Freedom of ERP5 taken away, </blockquote>
<div><br>No my fault! <br><br>Look at how you treat people? <br><br>I've gotten emails from entites/whomever interested in giving Nexedi $ but they<br>dont trust you. You tell them you dont guarantee the end result when they<br>
<br>1. Fly to your Offices - From Chicago roundtrip $1400 (Why cant you provide webinars?)<br>2. Give you their $<br>3. Feel CONFIDENT when they walk away, Nexedi will support them <br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
thus protecting the long term investment
of companies who implemented ERP5. </blockquote><div><br>Like Tracy R. Reed, the Zope Developer/Programmer whom yesterday told<br>me he not only has given up on Erp5 years ago, but Zope as well. <br><br>THIS REALLY ALARMS ME even if I try and use Erp5 outside of Nexedi.<br>
<br>Whats more scary is locally here in Chicago, is seems there is a declining<br>of interest in Zope, which really means anyone using Erp5 and gets stuck<br>they are really at your mercy. Who wants to live like that?<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">At least, this should give you ideas how to do better than we already do. </blockquote>
<div><br>Thank you!<br><br>Through both your actions and inactions, I've gotten some great ideas, and as<br>a result of Nexedi being the way you are, irrespective of me, there is a "niche"<br>NON-NEXDEI Erp5 demand that has been building up for awhile. You guys created it <br>
<br>;) <br><br>Thank you<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">You're my guest whenever you wish.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I will most certainly try ;)<br><br>I'm from Chicago, and we have Motorola and alot of out of work people<br>whom may or may not be interested in this. <br><br>Again what worries me is there seems to be a decline in Zope based training<br>
which means entities will be MORE dependent on Nexedi. NOT GOOD!<br><br>And if it turns out that there is a lack of demand for Zope from an employer<br>point of view, you can keep Erp5 :)<br><br>Why be enslaved to 1 entity like Terry R. Reed previously said back in 2007?<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
JP Smets.<br>
Nexedi CEO - ERP5 Project Leader<br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br>Sincerely,<br><br><br>MLO <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>
Bartek,<br>
<br>
<br>
You said:<br>
<br>
"Otherwise - if you are not happy about it and would really like this<br>
project to have an active developer and user community - please state<br>
what you are going to do to make it happen. Open Source is truly not<br>
magic - just sitting there and complaining that people do not<br>
contribute won't do the trick. There are thousands of successful OS<br>
projects out there, and it is not a rocket science - it is not<br>
difficult to learn what it takes to make an OS project at least<br>
developer-friendly. This book: <a href="http://producingoss.com/" target="_blank">http://producingoss.com/</a> can be a good<br>
start.<br>
<br>
Please answer - and let's have it settled once and for good.<br>
<br>
Bartek"<br>
<br>
<br>
A Fork of Erp5 where the Forked Erp5 provides just the very basics of what<br>
the current<br>
" Nexedi Erp5 Community " does not support.<br>
<br>
Bartek, its hard to have "Community Support" when the "Community" has no<br>
true " Community Leader ".<br>
<br>
How can this be accomplished:<br>
---------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
Set up a public fund where companies/interested individuals can contribute<br>
whatever amounts for a lead Developer(s) to develop the VERY BASICS of what<br>
Erp5.org pretends to be:<br>
<br>
*Anybody's Suggestions/Ideas are welcome in addition to<br>
<br>
*Real Documentation - Just a tad more detail than what we've seen<br>
<br>
*Real FUNCTIONING How To's<br>
<br>
*Real configuration file examples - This is what I posted back in December<br>
2010:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://mail.tiolive.com/pipermail/erp5-users/20101228/001344.html" target="_blank">http://mail.tiolive.com/pipermail/erp5-users/20101228/001344.html</a><br>
<br>
Despite yesterday's flame war still no SAMPLE FUNCTIONING supervisor.conf<br>
file examples have been made available.� I say this to say even in a<br>
Community<br>
you have leaders leading the community.<br>
<br>
Maybe a Forked Erp5 can foster such.<br>
<br>
Can a better way be created ?<br>
<br>
:)<br>
<br>
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