Hello,<br><br><br><br>I think the greater issue is what you stated:<br><br>"So, yes, Arnaud did loose faith and stopped answering. It's human<br>
afterall, and he was only volunteering for this task."<br><br>Whats the point in having a " Erp5-Users Mailing List" if your not<br>HONESTLY going to answer questions?<br><br>Why hold yourselves out as a open source, pro-Community, entity?<br>
<br>People have lost, and are losing faith in Nexedi!<br><br>This quote has you guys nailed and was written in 2007:<br><a href="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.zope.erp5.general/738">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.zope.erp5.general/738</a><br>
<pre>I always got the impression that ERP5 was just barely open source. The<br>source is there and you can use/copy it but good luck getting started<br>with it. All roads lead to paying Nexedi money to help you learn or<br>
implement it and from what I can tell this is by design. Most of the<br>questions here are answered by Nexedi: Jerome, Jean-Paul, Yoshinori,<br>etc. and few others because there is little reason for anyone to get<br>involved when the barrier to entry is so high. What good is an open<br>
source ERP if you are still going to be beholden to one company to keep<br>your factory running?<br></pre>WHY IS THE ABOVE STILL TRUE TODAY?<br><br>I actually called Nexedi, and got vaugeness as answers to questions about training<br>
myself. I was told I would have to hire Nexedi Consultants with a 1 year minimum<br>but UNDER THE CONDITION that NEXEDI WONT GUARANTEE the end results.<br><br>
WTF?!?!<br><br>Does anyone know of any companies out there whom HONESTLY will provide<br>CONCRETE SUPPORT for Erp5?? <br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM, MLO <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yeshappytrader@gmail.com">yeshappytrader@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Rafael,<br><br><br>I think you answered everyone's question with this remark:<div class="im">
<br><br>" What I do not understand is why do you want Nexedi have to provide good
support for free? <br>I beleave open source support is done by volunteers
people which work or not at Nexedi."<br><br></div>Yes this is PRECISELY the problem!<br><br>When people have called you guys, LIKE I HAVE, to ask outright, what do you charge<br>for training, there are different prices, and you base it entirely on what a person would<br>
like to do, AT THE SAME TIME NOT GUARANTEEING THE END RESULT!<br><br>So Nexedi doesn't support it when it releases it into the general public for free,<br>nor is known to support its customers/ATTEMPTED CUSTOMERS when we<br>
pay/TRY TO PAY you.<br><br>Hence, I ask the QUESTION AGAIN:<br><br>What companies/entities are out there that provides Erp5 Technical Support?<br><br><u><b>So this is TRUE:</b></u><div class="im"><br><br><a href="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.zope.erp5.general/738" target="_blank">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.zope.erp5.general/738</a><br>
</div><div class="im"><pre><b>I always got the impression that ERP5 was just barely open source. The<br>source is there and you can use/copy it but good luck getting started<br>with it. All roads lead to paying Nexedi money to help you learn or<br>
implement it and from what I can tell this is by design. Most of the<br>questions here are answered by Nexedi: Jerome, Jean-Paul, Yoshinori,<br>etc. and few others because there is little reason for anyone to get<br>involved when the barrier to entry is so high. What good is an open<br>
source ERP if you are still going to be beholden to one company to keep<br>your factory running?</b><br></pre><br></div>And the relevance to the numbers of users your company claims as <br>active developers/users in Brazil give prospective entities a idea as to<br>
the INTEGRITY of your company.<br><br>True there are 3000+ Brazilian members I see signed up for Erp5Br-Users,<br>but why only 23 threads, and ZERO posts to the Erp5Br-Developers Mailing List?<br><br>Because something is not true here.<br>
<br>This is my point !!!<br><br>What companies are out there that will SINCERELY provide Erp5 Training/Technical<br>Support OTHER-THAN Nexedi?<br><br><br>
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